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I was training to go into the Marine Corps for a shor while and for a number of reasons including medical, could not complete training or attempt boot camp. But that’s neither here nor there–I read your note on facebook and thought I could add some comments.

Usually I do not put my opinions or thought out there is such a manner but any individual who publicly posts their opinions leaves the door open for potential comments and/or criticisms. Whether mine is the former or latter, one can decide once my opinions are digested.

To summarize what you wrote: Why continue to dip our pen in Iraq’s ink? In other words, why are we meddling in the business of foreign countries when we do not have our business at home perfected.

Before I begin I want to be clear that I will not disclose whether I am for or against Iraq, all that I wish to do is raise the level of public debate–let that be my legacy. First off, you start off by saying that 6 more soldiers in Iraq were killed. One must trust, that as a result of training with the Marine Corps (brief it may be), I have many of kin and peers who serve. You argument, would not hold against true intellectuals nor myself for the fact that it is too emotional. You are a citizen with interest in the Iraqi war and you wish the Iraqi war to stop because of death–well that simply is not the correct or most optimal line of thinking. It shows, at the very least, the inability to have war with death. Let me emphasize with war comes death and interestingly enough, with death comes war.

I can get into an in-depth discussion as to why budget, mental effort spent by those who are in power to make decisions on other aspects of international and domestic affairs and public resources (exempli gratia: media outlets, facebook, the email which I write) are the more convinving if not logical reasons as to why Iraq is undesirable.

Second, the mentality to perfect things at home and then meddle in international affairs has many logical flaws. Although, on the surface, that line of thinking and questioning may seem rational and logical, when examined on a critical level–one can see clearly the contrary. At the university level, there are many individuals who create “to-do lists” which include a barrage of daily activities as well as classes, exams, and problem sets to study for among other things. Most of these university level students will not “have fun” or “go out” until these lists are complete. It takes a sharp eyed observer to say that those sort of lists continue on forever and one will never have a chance to complete it. Abstracting this concept and using it as a mental a framework by which to view the issue at hand–clearly we can see that it is the same. Are domestic issues will continue on forever. Our view into what problems we have are not based on are daily experiences but rather b
ased through the eyes and minds or others: the multi-national billion dollar corporations that control the media. This calls for an example: weeks ago a father who sought out help for his family (who were trapped in an automobile), died in the mountains or Oregon searching for help. The media then snowballs in one direction or another with events of this nature. The media clearly has focused on “lost climbers,” in recent weeks. Obviously, there has not been an increase in lost climbers rather the amount of attention devoted to such a topic has increased. The point being: one must see the big picture and this is that domestic issues will always be present.

Do not forget, that had we found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, not a single individual would question this war. I will let you ponder this for a bit but will leave you with a quote:

“Post hoc ergo propter hoc” which shows a logical fallacy. The correlation between when people carry umbrellas to rain pouring is close to 1. However, it would be incorrect to say that when individuals carry umbrellas it rains. Rather, as we know, when it rains–individuals carry umbrellas.

Now I will tell you my personal opinions on Iraq. Yes, we should withdraw troops. However, the same mentality that you have is the mentality that the public has which is: “Why are we in Iraq? Pull out immediately.” Do not forget that the same reason why we have the ability to pull out immediately is the same reason why we were able to go into Iraq. We decided to meddle with a country’s political system. We cannot destroy many people’s lives and then leave them to be because we don’t “feel” as if we are ready to complete the job. As long as a system is in place that can guarantee security at a non-over-arching level for the Iraqi people, then we can pull out. Until that system is in place, or until order is restores, we cannot leave. It is the CEO who begins to restructure a company but then leaves, the father who comes back to re-build a family but leaves again, the step-father who tries to build a new family but leaves–it is not right.

Best,

R. H. Trivedi

I was training to go into the Marine Corps for a shor while and for a number of reasons including medical, could not complete training or attempt boot camp. But that’s neither here nor there–I read your note on facebook and thought I could add some comments.

Usually I do not put my opinions or thought out there is such a manner but any individual who publicly posts their opinions leaves the door open for potential comments and/or criticisms. Whether mine is the former or latter, one can decide once my opinions are digested.

To summarize what you wrote: Why continue to dip our pen in Iraq’s ink? In other words, why are we meddling in the business of foreign countries when we do not have our business at home perfected.

Before I begin I want to be clear that I will not disclose whether I am for or against Iraq, all that I wish to do is raise the level of public debate–let that be my legacy. First off, you start off by saying that 6 more soldiers in Iraq were killed. One must trust, that as a result of training with the Marine Corps (brief it may be), I have many of kin and peers who serve. You argument, would not hold against true intellectuals nor myself for the fact that it is too emotional. You are a citizen with interest in the Iraqi war and you wish the Iraqi war to stop because of death–well that simply is not the correct or most optimal line of thinking. It shows, at the very least, the inability to have war with death. Let me emphasize with war comes death and interestingly enough, with death comes war.

I can get into an in-depth discussion as to why budget, mental effort spent by those who are in power to make decisions on other aspects of international and domestic affairs and public resources (exempli gratia: media outlets, facebook, the email which I write) are the more convinving if not logical reasons as to why Iraq is undesirable.

Second, the mentality to perfect things at home and then meddle in international affairs has many logical flaws. Although, on the surface, that line of thinking and questioning may seem rational and logical, when examined on a critical level–one can see clearly the contrary. At the university level, there are many individuals who create “to-do lists” which include a barrage of daily activities as well as classes, exams, and problem sets to study for among other things. Most of these university level students will not “have fun” or “go out” until these lists are complete. It takes a sharp eyed observer to say that those sort of lists continue on forever and one will never have a chance to complete it. Abstracting this concept and using it as a mental a framework by which to view the issue at hand–clearly we can see that it is the same. Are domestic issues will continue on forever. Our view into what problems we have are not based on are daily experiences but rather b
ased through the eyes and minds or others: the multi-national billion dollar corporations that control the media. This calls for an example: weeks ago a father who sought out help for his family (who were trapped in an automobile), died in the mountains or Oregon searching for help. The media then snowballs in one direction or another with events of this nature. The media clearly has focused on “lost climbers,” in recent weeks. Obviously, there has not been an increase in lost climbers rather the amount of attention devoted to such a topic has increased. The point being: one must see the big picture and this is that domestic issues will always be present.

Do not forget, that had we found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, not a single individual would question this war. I will let you ponder this for a bit but will leave you with a quote:

“Post hoc ergo propter hoc” which shows a logical fallacy. The correlation between when people carry umbrellas to rain pouring is close to 1. However, it would be incorrect to say that when individuals carry umbrellas it rains. Rather, as we know, when it rains–individuals carry umbrellas.

Now I will tell you my personal opinions on Iraq. Yes, we should withdraw troops. However, the same mentality that you have is the mentality that the public has which is: “Why are we in Iraq? Pull out immediately.” Do not forget that the same reason why we have the ability to pull out immediately is the same reason why we were able to go into Iraq. We decided to meddle with a country’s political system. We cannot destroy many people’s lives and then leave them to be because we don’t “feel” as if we are ready to complete the job. As long as a system is in place that can guarantee security at a non-over-arching level for the Iraqi people, then we can pull out. Until that system is in place, or until order is restores, we cannot leave. It is the CEO who begins to restructure a company but then leaves, the father who comes back to re-build a family but leaves again, the step-father who tries to build a new family but leaves–it is not right.

Best,

R. H. Trivedi

I do not put my opinions or thought out there is such a manner but any individual who publicly posts their opinions